Journals of the Senate
51 Elizabeth II, A.D. 2002, Canada
Journals of the Senate
2nd Session, 37th Parliament
Issue 13
Wednesday, October 30, 2002
1:30 p.m.
The Honourable Daniel Hays, Speaker
The Members convened were:
The Honourable Senators
Adams, Andreychuk, Angus, Atkins, Bacon, Baker, Beaudoin, Biron, Bolduc, Bryden, Callbeck, Carney, Carstairs, Christensen, Cochrane, Comeau, Cook, Cools, Corbin, Cordy, Day, De Bané, Di Nino, Doody, Fairbairn, Ferretti Barth, Finnerty, Fitzpatrick, Forrestall, Fraser, Furey, Gauthier, Gill, Graham, Gustafson, Hays, Hubley, Jaffer, Johnson, Joyal, Kelleher, Kenny, Kinsella, Kirby, Kolber, Kroft, Lapointe, LeBreton, Léger, Losier-Cool, Lynch-Staunton, Maheu, Mahovlich, Milne, Morin, Murray, Pearson, Pépin, Phalen, Poy, Prud'homme, Rivest, Robichaud, Roche, Rompkey, Rossiter, Setlakwe, Sibbeston, Smith, Sparrow, Spivak, Stratton, Taylor, Tkachuk, Watt, Wiebe
The Members in attendance to business were:
The Honourable Senators
Adams, Andreychuk, Angus, Atkins, Bacon, Baker, Beaudoin, Biron, Bolduc, Bryden, Callbeck, Carney, Carstairs, Christensen, Cochrane, Comeau, Cook, Cools, Corbin, Cordy, Day, De Bané, Di Nino, Doody, Fairbairn, Ferretti Barth, Finnerty, Fitzpatrick, Forrestall, Fraser, Furey, Gauthier, Gill, Graham, Gustafson, Hays, Hubley, Jaffer, Johnson, Joyal, Kelleher, Kenny, Kinsella, Kirby, Kolber, Kroft, Lapointe, LeBreton, Léger, Losier-Cool, Lynch-Staunton, Maheu, Mahovlich, Milne, Morin, Murray, Pearson, Pépin, Phalen, Poy, Prud'homme, Rivest, Robichaud, Roche, Rompkey, Rossiter, Setlakwe, Sibbeston, Smith, Sparrow, Spivak, Stratton, Taylor, Tkachuk, Watt, Wiebe
PRAYERS
SENATORS' STATEMENTS
Some Honourable Senators made statements.
DAILY ROUTINE OF BUSINESS
Tabling of Documents
The Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., tabled the following:
Report on the Operation of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act for the year 2002, pursuant to the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act, S.C. 2001, c. 27, sbs. 94(1).—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-168.
Presentation of Reports from Standing or Special Committees
The Honourable Senator Comeau tabled the following (Sessional Paper No. 2/37-169S):
WEDNESDAY, October 30, 2002
The Standing Senate Committee on Fisheries has the honour to table its
FIRST REPORT
Your Committee, which was authorized by the Senate to incur expenses for the purpose of its examination and consideration of such legislation and other matters as were referred to it, reports, pursuant to Rule 104, that the expenses incurred by the Committee during the First Session of the Thirty-seventh Parliament are as follows:
1. With respect to its special study on the fishing industry authorized by the Senate on Tuesday, March 13, 2001:
Professional Services $ 8,528 Transportation $ 35,698 Other, Miscellaneous $ 1,078 Witness Expenses $ 12,018
2. With respect to its special study relating to oceans and fisheries authorized by the Senate on Monday, March 25, 2002:
Professional Services $ 1,440 Transportation — Other, Miscellaneous $ 130 Witness Expenses $ 1,618
During the session, your Committee held 32 meetings (50.5 hours), heard 70 witnesses and submitted 6 reports in relation to its work.
Your Committee travelled on a fact-finding visit to Kuujjuaq (Quebec) in June 2001 to study inland and northern fisheries. In addition, some members of the Committee attended the Boston Seafood Show, one of the world's largest trade show for fisheries products.
Respectfully submitted,
GERALD J. COMEAU
Chair
ORDERS OF THE DAY
GOVERNMENT BUSINESS
Bills
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., seconded by the Honourable Senator Rompkey, P.C., for the third reading of Bill S-2, An Act to implement an agreement, conventions and protocols concluded between Canada and Kuwait, Mongolia, the United Arab Emirates, Moldova, Norway, Belgium and Italy for the avoidance of double taxation and the prevention of fiscal evasion and to amend the enacted text of three tax treaties.
After debate,
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Bill was then read the third time and passed.
Ordered, That the Clerk do go down to the House of Commons and acquaint that House that the Senate have passed this Bill, to which they desire their concurrence.
Order No. 2 was called and postponed until the next sitting.
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Day, seconded by the Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., for the second reading of Bill C-11, An Act to amend the Copyright Act.
After debate,
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Bill was then read the second time.
The Honourable Senator Day moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Smith, P.C., that the Bill be referred to the Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Motions
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Morin, seconded by the Honourable Senator Hubley:
That the following Address be presented to Her Excellency the Governor General of Canada:
To Her Excellency the Right Honourable Adrienne Clarkson, Chancellor and Principal Companion of the Order of Canada, Chancellor and Commander of the Order of Military Merit, Governor General and Commander-in-Chief of Canada.
MAY IT PLEASE YOUR EXCELLENCY:
We, Her Majesty's most loyal and dutiful subjects, the Senate of Canada in Parliament assembled, beg leave to offer our humble thanks to Your Excellency for the gracious Speech which Your Excellency has addressed to both Houses of Parliament.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Kinsella moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Gustafson, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Orders No. 2 and 3 were called and postponed until the next sitting.
OTHER BUSINESS
Senate Public Bills
Order No. 1 was called and postponed until the next sitting.
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Forrestall, seconded by the Honourable Senator LeBreton, for the second reading of Bill S-7, An Act to protect heritage lighthouses.
After debate,
The Honourable Senator Rompkey, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Mahovlich, that further debate on the motion be adjourned until the next sitting.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
Orders No. 3 to 5 were called and postponed until the next sitting.
Reports of Committees
Order No. 1 was called and postponed until the next sitting.
Other
Resuming debate on the motion of the Honourable Senator Kenny, seconded by the Honourable Senator Wiebe:
That the Senate do resolve itself into a Committee of the Whole on Tuesday, October 29, 2002, in order to receive Lieutenant-Colonel Pat Stogran, former Commanding Officer, 3 Princess Patricia Canadian Light Infantry Battle Group, Canadian Forces Battle Group in Afghanistan, February to July 2002, for the purpose of discussing the preparation and training prior to deployment as well as the experiences of the Canadian Forces in Afghanistan in the war on terrorism.
That television cameras be authorized in the Chamber to broadcast the proceedings of the Committee of the Whole, with the least possible disruption of the proceedings,
And on the motion in amendment of the Honourable Senator Banks, seconded by the Honourable Senator Atkins, that the motion be amended in the first paragraph thereof:
by replacing the words "Tuesday, October 29, 2002'' by the words "Tuesday, November 5, 2002 at 4:00 p.m.''; and
by adding after the words "Lieutenant-Colonel Pat Stogran, former Commanding Officer, 3 Princess Patricia Canadian Light Infantry Battle Group, Canadian Forces Battle Group in Afghanistan, February to July 2002'' the words "and Brigadier-General Michel Gauthier, former Commander Canadian Joint Task Force Southwest Asia, February to October 2002''.
After debate,
In amendment, the Honourable Senator Forrestall moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Stratton, that the motion in amendment be amended by replacing the words "Tuesday, November 5, 2002, at 4:00 p.m.'' by the words "Tuesday, November 19, 2002, from 2:05 p.m. to 3:30 p.m.''
The question being put on the sub-amendment, it was adopted.
The question being put on the motion in amendment, as amended, it was adopted.
The Senate resumed debate on the motion, as amended, of the Honourable Senator Kenny, seconded by the Honourable Senator Wiebe:
That the Senate do resolve itself into a Committee of the Whole on Tuesday, November 19, 2002, from 2:05 p.m. to 3:30 p.m., in order to receive Lieutenant-Colonel Pat Stogran, former Commanding Officer, 3 Princess Patricia Canadian Light Infantry Battle Group, Canadian Forces Battle Group in Afghanistan, February to July 2002, and Brigadier-General Michel Gauthier, former Commander Canadian Joint Task Force Southwest Asia, February to October 2002, for the purpose of discussing the preparation and training prior to deployment as well as the experiences of the Canadian Forces in Afghanistan in the war on terrorism.
That television cameras be authorized in the Chamber to broadcast the proceedings of the Committee of the Whole, with the least possible disruption of the proceedings
After debate,
The question being put on the motion, as amended, it was adopted.
Orders No. 4 (inquiry), 4 (motion), 3 (inquiry), 3, 5 (motions), 2 (inquiry) and 7 (motion) were called and postponed until the next sitting.
MOTIONS
The Honourable Senator Cook for the Honourable Senator Kirby moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Mahovlich:
That the Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology have power to engage the services of such counsel and technical, clerical and other personnel as may be necessary for the purpose of its examination and consideration of such bills, subject-matters of bills and estimates as are referred to it.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Cook for the Honourable Senator Kirby moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Ferretti Barth:
That the Standing Senate Committee on Social Affairs, Science and Technology be empowered to permit coverage by electronic media of its public proceedings with the least possible disruption of its hearings.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Fraser moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Gill:
That the Standing Senate Committee on Transport and Communications have power to engage the services of such counsel and technical, clerical, and other personnel as may be necessary for the purpose of its examination and consideration of such bills, subject-matters of bills and estimates as are referred to it.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Fraser moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Hubley:
That the Standing Senate Committee on Transport and Communications be authorised to permit coverage by electronic media of its public proceedings with the least possible disruption of its hearings.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Fraser moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Lapointe:
That the Standing Senate Committee on Transport and Communications be authorized to examine and report on issues facing the intercity busing industry;
That the Committee submit its final report no later than Friday, December 20, 2002; and
That the papers and evidence received and taken on the subject and the work accomplished during the First Session of the Thirty-seventh Parliament be referred to the Committee.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Maheu moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Losier-Cool:
That the Standing Senate Committee on Human Rights have power to engage the services of such counsel and technical, clerical, and other personnel as may be necessary for the purpose of its examination and consideration of such bills, subject-matters of bills and estimates as are referred to it.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Maheu moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Corbin:
That the Standing Senate Committee on Human Rights be authorised to permit coverage by electronic media of its public proceedings with the least possible disruption of its hearings.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
The Honourable Senator Kenny moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Losier-Cool:
That the Standing Senate Committee on National Security and Defence be authorized to examine and report on the need for a national security policy for Canada. In particular, the Committee shall be authorized to examine:
(a) the capability of the Department of National Defence to defend and protect the interests, people and territory of Canada and its ability to respond to or prevent a national emergency or attack;
(b) the working relationships between the various agencies involved in intelligence gathering, and how they collect, coordinate, analyze and disseminate information and how these functions might be enhanced;
(c) the mechanisms to review the performance and activities of the various agencies involved in intelligence gathering; and
(d) the security of our borders.
That the papers and evidence received and taken during the First Session of the Thirty-seventh Parliament be referred to the Committee;
That the Committee report to the Senate no later than February 28, 2004, and that the Committee retain all powers necessary to publicize the findings of the Committee until March 31, 2004.
After debate,
With leave of the Senate and pursuant to Rule 30, the French version of the motion was modified in paragraph (b) to read as follows:
"b) les relations entre les divers organismes participant à la collecte de renseignements, comment ils recueillent, colligent, analysent et diffusent ces renseignements, et comment ces fonctions pourraient être améliorées;''.
After debate,
The question being put on the motion, as modified, it was adopted.
REPORTS DEPOSITED WITH THE CLERK OF THE SENATE PURSUANT TO RULE 28(2):
Report of the Queens Quay West Land Corporation for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Alternative Fuels Act, S.C. 1995, c. 20, s. 8.—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-166.
Report of Atomic Energy of Canada Limited for the fiscal year ended March 31, 2002, pursuant to the Alternative Fuels Act, S.C. 1995, c. 20, s. 8.—Sessional Paper No. 2/37-167.
ADJOURNMENT
The Honourable Senator Robichaud, P.C., moved, seconded by the Honourable Senator Taylor:
That the Senate do now adjourn.
The question being put on the motion, it was adopted.
(Accordingly, at 4:02 p.m. the Senate was continued until 1:30 p.m. tomorrow.)
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Changes in Membership of Committees Pursuant to Rule 85(4)
Standing Senate Committee on Aboriginal Peoples
The name of the Honourable Senator Johnson substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Robertson (October 29).
Standing Senate Committee on Fisheries
The name of the Honourable Senator Meighen substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Robertson (October 29).
Standing Committee on Internal Economy, Budgets and Administration
The name of the Honourable Senator Bolduc substituted for that of the Honourable Senator Doody (October 29).